God is with us. 1. I think his stupidity is a defense against the Truth that is the Roman Catholic Church. Even as David also describeth That is the data I have used for analysis, nothing more. I think that has us beat. GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers.. I once posted a blog about the illogic of sola scriptura That would be mundane. Pastor Luke PiersonLuke, along with Pastor Jeff, co-founded Apologia Studios and End Abortion Now, and is Co-Host of the churchs radio and TV programs,Apologia Radio and Apologia TV. For I had heard how Anthony had been admonished by a reading from the Gospel at which he chanced to be present, as if the words read were addressed to him: Go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven, and come, follow me. and that by such portent he was immediately converted to you. The point I was attempting to make earlier in this thread (since the website was again brought up as an issue) with my Disciples of James White Conspiracy Theory is that it is just as ridiculous as the Catholic Answers/Jimmy Akin/Catholic Church Conspiracy Theory.. Youll get that casuistry degree yet. As I have asserted before, I doubt few here have actually ever litened to a White debate. Oh, and your most recent comment: Though, I guess an alternate motive might be to, just get the information out there so people can make an informed unbiased judgment for themselves. To Greg McR, We must not sink to the same level he has. Im expecting the entire fanbase of Jimmy Akin to act accordingly and immediatly chastize Edward for likening all Roman Catholics to a freakshow. So one can not simply wipe their hands of the deal and flippantly reply: Meh, hes saved. Not all Muslims are terrorists, no matter how much you presume them to be. It is a rather important thing, being forgiven your sins.). This reveals something of Whites character, his impulsiveness, and his lack of good judgment. It might be saying the person was not being logical or didnt understand. Esau, My favourite example of the argument, courtesy Philip Pullmans interview with Third Way Magazine. SeanPatrickCornell. Apologia Radio P.O. I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. Albeit, as born-again This thread was about his humor Why? It IS a bit of levity. Do they not apply, or are you choosing to ignore them in order to post another gotcha! by claiming that were not responding? Anathema to those who spurn the teachings of the holy Fathers and the tradition of the holy Catholic Church, taking as a pretext and making their own the arguments of Arius, Nestorius, Eutyches, and Dioscorus, that unless we were evidently taught by the Old and New Testaments, we should not follow the teachings of the holy Fathers and of the holy Ecumenical Synods, and the tradition of the Catholic Church (The Council of Nicea 787, Acts of Session I). Though i do think the actions taken by white are questionable at best, this is the perfect time to show what it means to be Catholic. I should have spoken more carefully. It smells like a prank, like someone causing trouble. Please go to: Salesman: Uh, I think maybe the guy who installed my countertops. Can the Church of the Three Eyes be its own reference point? As someone active in the pro-life movement, I have to tell you that I am accustomed to violent shrieking, rude gestures, angry insults, and even guys in tricked out VW buses getting so upset they nearly rip the rearview mirror out. And just what is right and wrong? The Teaching of Clement If this were 500 years ago, Id be getting tied to the stake right about now I bet, and thats part of the hilarity of those pictures. Im not going to repeat it. We also acknowledge that reason apart from faith is useless. http://mp3.aomin.org/JRW/PrejeanCall.mp3 Other formats: Audible Audiobook, Paperback, Audio CD. He is an accomplished debater, having engaged in more than one hundred seventy-five moderated, public debates with leading proponents of Roman Catholicism, Islam, Jehovahs Witnesses, and Mormonism, as well as critics such as Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Marcus Borg, and John Shelby Spong. caused by the hundreds of corrupt new Bible versions, which have redefined Take care and God bless, His disciples were empowered. Esau, you contradict yourself. To many, Dr. James White needs no introduction. . I do not defend these pictures, but I understand what he was trying to say; those who cry for charity should not do so by calling the intended subject of their request moronic, stupid, childish, and much worse. How horribly uncharitiable we are! I am reminding you because it may result in your getting booted and I do not want that to happen. I think Jimmy is right to leave the debate at this point. Gary, Im willing to read the book. About the website, do you even remember your having levelled the accusation against Jimmy Akin and his crew, as you put it: If youre tired of gnosis, youre simply tired of yourself. Dave Armstrong wasnt stoned to death for doing that. Esau there was a BIG burst of the nasty spam, and it was most of the links in the little recent post sidebar. Why do you think Jimmy has to blog on only serious matters? Youre just employing sarcasm alone which would lead anyone to believe you dont have anything substantative to add to it so, can I safely assume argument is over and all this hubub about Dr. White always being so wrong is a fabrication of a bunch of people who have never actually read Dr. White to begin with? I know when I first found this site, I read through a lot of the older posts, if I was interested in the topic. Before anyone knew the state of what God had done (canon mediated), God infallibly knew the current state and content of canon (infallible). I dont have a copy handy. What would you say if I told you that the only logical response to that quoted statement was that you had obviously not never listened to White at all? That would be tedious. The original post by James White was outrageous and disgusting. So you decided for yourself what it says and then decided youd go along with a group that agrees with you. Salvation and I absolutely DO believe that repentance is required for Both alpha and omega symbols have different meanings and when put together, these two Greek letters open the door to a wide range of interpretations and symbolism. Would the Bishops at Nicea recognize and accept sola scriptura? Mike, Ive used gallows humor myself. Since James White isnt an Islamist, Godwins Law doesnt apply. I had always presumed an inferiority of the material that precluded its use in Gods plan. Given, of course, good charity and a clear head from those whom he listens. Read Esaus response verses, without the filter of thinking that the Catholic Church and its members are seeking glory. Which is why I rebuked it. He is building a castle in the air, connected to nothing. Furthermore, that tattoo was designed to match one already received by the Reformed Baptist statesmen, his father-in-law, James White. What Does a Christian Need to Know About Social Justice? I asked for a summary. Alpha omega tattoo designs are often found to be created keeping both the alpha and omega meaning in mind. Bill, I guess figure of speech is lost on you? The Councils of Carthage? What's great about the Omega tattoo is that it can be placed just about anywhere. because the Bible told me to. Poor imitator of Our Lord that I am, I remain your servant and brother in Christ, Of course, this is no surprise. You are certainly going to turn a lot of heads with this one! Now, dont get me in trouble with your hubby, Foxy! Q: Not the gnostic thing again, please. Admin Phone Ext. James response was to compare these people people exercising love to radical Muslims who exercise the hatred of those who do not agree with their theology. I still think its your fault going all the way back to your well endowed post! Excuses like "it was just a little levity" count for nothing. The reason I say that is that White has now posted pictures Is everything in Foxes book of martyrs a mere fabrication? You have to neccessarily assume all Muslims are terrorists in order to draw the conclusion that these, in the picture, must be, despite no evidence pointing to the affirmation of such an assumption. You havent been reasonable. That is how long it took me to review the one hour, five minutes of Matthew Vines presentation in defense of gay Christianity. We will be posting, Lord willing, tomorrow, a file containing the entirety of the 5.25 hours of discussion of these key biblical As most of you know, Zakir Naik is a wildly popular Islamic speaker in the mode of Ahmed Deedat. He did not so admit. You are diving into a tangent. Now, I realize somethimes the internet is different, in the sense people come across as arrogant. We still have recourse to mysticism, prayer, meditation, and personal sanctity. Context is important. Youve accuse Esau of lying and/or intentionally being fallacious. Edward, 1. The implication of moral equivalency is outrageous and disgusting. That might be what you see, but not everyone sees it that way. How is one reconciled with God? I got sick of reading the comments about half way through. It means he knew of the site, and knew of White. He was wondering why people accept a consensus of the early church on the cannon of scripture and dont accept a similar consensus on penance and the real presence. Even with that many lines, the design is actually quite simple and clean. Son, I say, thats a joke.. AOMIN App Charitably, please. Atheism is a religion, and because it relies solely on human powers of manipulation and domination for its vitality, it does bear an eerie resemblance to those allegedly theistic religions that give lip service to the supernatural, but in fact are just as reliant on concrete manipulative techniques as any other autocratic system; fear, guilt, ambition, etc. No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. Minor arguments would have been resolved by the awesome power of the Holy Spirit bearing witness to the true Canon, and history would witness to the fact that most Christians just spontaneously/miraculously agreed on the texts of the scriptures themselves. But Denniss post was measured and fair, and it is not helpful to discourse to resort to ridicule. Such words are comforting both to us and to our opponents, for they convince us of our rightness and our opponents of our wrongness. How much of early Church history and/or Church Fathers have you read? How, where, and to whom did God reveal the infallible canon? the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. There is nothing more Oh, so this post here is nothing but a CHEAP DEBATE TACTIC from Jimmy Akin???? CareBear: Being Unreasonable Has the Quran Been Accurately Transmitted? Enough of this nonsense. youd have to find a more substantive angle of attack If charity regards generosity and forbearanceand it doesthen Akins post (a) should not have displayed such an overt appeal to the emotions of his readership, (b) but should have displayed logical impassivity with a concerted effort to interact with White about the images. Maybe instead of us responding with anger, we should all email him and say I dont agree with your interpretations, and I take offense to your pictures, but i just wanted to say, as a Catholic, May the peace of Christ be with you always Is this not getting through or are you just ignoring the fact your comitting fallacy like I sarcastically portrayed? Contact. Christ did not choose only one disciple. The Testament of Moses For one thing Im sure we Catholics agree with a whole lot of his beliefs on basic Christian truths and on many social issues. Could a Roman Catholic representative point me to a single bishop at Nicea who believed what you believe de fide? Greek Latin Roots - by james.r.hendricks.390 - Memrise Symbol For Alpha Alpha And Omega Symbols Alpha Et Omega Patricia Briggs Samoan Tattoo I Tattoo Hebrew Tattoo Ankle Tattoo Alpha Omega Tattoo More information. So there were disagreements. Therefore: I think that the tempers on this discussion have gotten far out of hand, and thats very, very bad. The steve that wrote at Aug 11, 2007 10:50:06 AM OK by you? God, says St. Paul, hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation (2 Cor. He starred in popular video games, movies and tours. I realized that apologetics are, by the very meaning of the word, defensive. You should, by your own authority (since you dont acknowledge that of the Church), re-consider all the books that are currently in the bible, but also, in addition, take up all those other books that the Catholic Church rejected time and again in the Councils of Rome (382 AD), Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD). And, CareBear, please dont make this out to an INFOMERCIAL FOR JAMES WHITE by AGAIN DODGING the question by the silly, evasive response: Today if you hear His voice, harden not your heart. I did not ask why you go to priests. This is evidenced by the spam comments that accumulate on some older threads. The Bible & the Quran: Which is the Light to the World? Please note Im only an average layperson (and I never really post online), so what I say might be in error. I dont remotely claim to have walked it myself with any consistency. Maybe you think calling Mr. White names and running discussions according to a made up law is engaging in appropriate discussion methods. $1099. Slander is saying something not true, so perhaps you should consider what exactly youre saying before you go shooting your keyboard off. That makes me laugh. Dont poisen the well. Youre acting like Muslims! has become the house retort. Comparing foaming-at-the-mouth bronze age fanatics to Catholics who disagree with him is completely absurd. I have heard White and Akin interact and it was professional and courteous on both sides. Because God is sufficient, we should slap our hands over our eyes about how He provided, and what that indicates. Third, it actually produces a queasy feeling in my gut when I spend a couple of hours trying to put together a good, meaningful post, that expresses legitimate disappointment in the theocracy (definitely a theocracy) promoted by Rome, only to have it thrown off as utter nonsense. This isnt an apologetics website, and frankly, most of us arent here to talk apologetics. DA apologized for the picture and pulled it from his site. Dont you? Thats what makes humor like that found on Steven Coberts (who Im sure you know is Catholic) Report so funny. And you know what? To put it charitably. White has a few errors in his logic, some important, some insignificant. I find it interesting that in this thread or previous threads regarding the actions of Dr. Beckwith that he [Dr. Beckwith] is the ONLY one showing true Christian charity. I seem to recall that someone paid Google to make the top search for the current POTUS a Bush is an idiot site for well over a month. Posts are filled with illustrations of the situation that make White out ot be the devil and yet Akin seems to have clean hands. http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/08/amazing-simply-.html. The fruit of Christs life in our lives is not an option. Tattoo Short Sleeve Tops New Poster for Alpha and Omega xi Tattoo by Jonathan at Alpha & Omega's Tattoo . Russ, absolutely. Good show! So, what was your point? You may opt for a design like this, where the tattoo starts with the rho symbol and ends with a beautifully detailed anchor, with the chi in between. Westcott and Hort modern We have to be prepared to forgive those who have wronged us, and are commanded to forgive those who repent of their wrong-doing. I will claim that he has done the deadliest thing for a humorist: failed to make his audience laugh. I did do a Google search and found you indeed have credibility. But what about lurkers? There apparently are two people using the user name Steve. It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. Jesus says, And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins, and we also forgive everyone who sins against us. Thats everyone, anyone and anything. Catholic Wayne- I know that one shouldnt bite to trolls, but you did very well. pro-Catholics. Esau, No, I was saving them seats. God Bless. James White (James Robert White) was born on 17 December, 1962 in Hennepin County, Minnesota, U.S., is an American theologian, born 1962. . Get beyond that and we need to scrutinize truth claim a lot more carefully. However you: . Matthew 12:33-37 But due to the tongue-in-cheek nature of his post, I think it could be safe to say that there really were no people at all outside his office yesterday morning. One of the rules of LAbri is honest answers for honest questions. I dont see a lot of that going on. FAT CHANCE!!!! The light heart was laughing. Mt 13:15: The reality is, these men have no *consistent* way of disambiguating , . CareBear: Before travel restrictions James debated in such locations as London, Sydney, as well as in mosques in Toronto and South Africa. I chose this because it was handy.]. All this depends on whether you draw the line at liturgy, church hierarchy, the definition of salvation, the efficacy of grace, and the role of human free will. You are the reason those pictures are hilarious. Mark Kay, You probably think this post is about you Recent Media All WHY DONT YOU ALLOW COMMENTS ON YOUR BLOG LIKE JIMMY? I consider the discussion way off-track with regards to the original topic of this thread. I am a theorist I merely analyze humor he has to consider its impact. Sometimes human beings respond to what is disgusting with outrage. Because of the nature of the issue and the points I will address, I ask for clemency for what will surely be both a long and late-in-the-game post. which requires a change of lifestyle to seal and validate one's salvation. Ive read, especially in ecclesiastical history, where many rejected Revelations, Jude, 2nd and 3rd John, Hebrews as part of Scripture and said that they were not, in fact, inspired. Well, perhaps you should look elsewhere for those who have lost it. Does the Bible come with an owners manual? Putting aside the merits of an important debate, its telling that Dr. Geisler also expresses dismay with Whites tone. and a card from Magic: the Gathering, which had a really, really pretty drawing and this quote: only a fool fears foxfire. You can certainly make changes to this design and add your own touches to make this more personal. Except that Bob also said: So neener, neener, I won and everyone else should back me up. youre not listening to his Testa-baloney So much for the Law of Non-Contradiction!!! Rather he is saying that since those pictures are inherently disrespectful reasonable debate ceased to exist. With each passing phase of His unfolding of revelation in Scripture, canon (infalible) remained current and infallible, fully reflective (by necessity) of the ongoing work of enscripturation. I dont know what group you refer to but Catholics and other Christians have been known to behave badly in ways that affect others. I defended ChurchMouses posting of the information you needed to ascertain who obtained the url. The Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel[13] Who would go through through the expense of buying a domain name to lead others to Catholic Answers? I asked you for a specific example of when you felt that Jimmy misdirected people. So if the above questions about divine revelation of the proper canon of scripture were answered by White elsewhere in his book, then explain itdont just say you need to read his book. CareBear: If you look through Jimmys comboxes, youll see not infrequent apologies and admissions of error or wrongdoing from Jimmys readers (yours truly included). Ray, theres tension between the folks here and Mr. White because he accused a good man of lying on very slim grounds, then equated those who object to a murderous mob. To excuse that as gallows humor is an insult to those who put themselves on the line and have valid claim to gallows humor. And theres Paul, who says in 2 Cor, If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as he has grieved all of you, to some extentnot to put it too severely. Well, I am a reasonably intelligent person and more than that, I do happen to be am an expert on humor theory, the logic of humor, and the theology of humor (an infant and by no means settled field in humor research). Lets say somebody says the most dispicable thing about your family. Mr White, like the Emperor in the childrens story, is meandering down the main pike in his skivvies, afraid to admit that he cant see The Emperors New Clothes. Feb 24. I spoke on the topic of the eternal law of progression in Mormonism in Anchorage this morning. Posted by: Okey | Aug 13, 2007 2:36:07 PM. Maybe we can call the blue helmet guys in as peacekeepers? Go figure. Jesus, So I hope I help you understand that what James White did is in order of magnitude far worse than your common troll like Edward. Step up and play the man. Proverbs 14:34. IMHO. Your attempt to call into question their value as an educational institution is pathetic and sad. Already read the whole thing before posting. as being authors of particular books? Mike, you *sign* as Mike Petrik. Esau attempts to keep up with me point for point for simply not agreeing with him, but he wont apply the same category error he does to James White to this fellow here, Edward. The spirit, however, is one of obedience to Christ and of fraternal love. judgment by virtue of his humor on some of the blogging Catholics who have contacted him about what they perceive as a lack of charity (and his humor is doing this or could be taken The Wisdom of Sirach (If hed meant for *all* of his followers to be able to bind and loose their own sins, he would have told the Disciples to tell them so. Thank you James White, and God bless you. I think Bill can relax now since we now have confirmation that Churchmouse all along has been pointing the finger at Catholics, as stated for the record in her latest comments: But he didnt. I fully expect him to start into depends on your interpretation at any time now. But that could be topic for a whole nother thread. So you, like the Protestants, decided for yourself what the Bible says. I love the phrase Tiber swim team Answering the Allegations of KJV Only Advocates, The Newness of the New Covenant (Part II), Lets Bring the Light of Gods Truth to Jehovahs Witnesses, Road Trip Schedule February 14, 2023 Doctrine of the Trinity, Fillmore Baptist Church, 6304 Highway 80,Haughton, Louisiana, 71037, Road Trip Schedule February 8, 2023 Debate: What is Marriage? [21][22][23][24], White has written multiple books critical of Roman Catholic theology, including the books; The Roman Catholic Controversy, Mary: Another Redeemer? Talked about more than that, but it was a major portion of my thinking as I started off with Jordan Petersons announcement that the tyrants in charge of psychology in Canada want to send him off to a training camp to punish him for wrong-think. 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