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So she told me Barbara had another baby and Did we want it? BARBARA HARRIS: Light bothered him, noise bothered him. PAT: That's a lot of people. Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. But it failed. PEJK MALINOVSKI: It says "registrera", register. PAT: And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. Its something I still think about all the time. When you first hear about this, what goes through your mind? ROBERT: Do you know anything about the other four? Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. PAT: Over the past five years, if you look at our tax return. BARBARA HARRIS: And when I found out the bill didn't pass, I just thought, "I have to come up with something else. Because you begin with a mother's lick that ends up with a deep, deep change in the baby, not just the good, warm, fuzzy feeling, but a fundamental shift in who that baby is, and who that baby will be. I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. PAT: Even though Destiny's mom was doing all sorts of drugs during her pregnancy and the doctors told Barbara that Destiny was going to be mentally and physically delayed DESTINY HARRIS: Not feeling the way I'm supposed to feel. ROBERT: You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? SAM KEAN: But this was a really, really tough place to grow up. And rewrite the so-called rules of genetics. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: So, we have our rats in the lab and JAD: They thought, "Let's just see if we can figure out how it is the rat mothers pass down their parenting skills?". Listen to the first three stories of the "Inheritance" Radiolab Podcast (Control + click on link to access podcast. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. fact checked by Jamie Frater. So here's what you're going to notice. Plus, find other cool things we did in the past like miniseries, music videos, short films and animations, behind-the-scenes features, Radiolab live shows, and more. Yes, no, okay, move on to the next cage, yes, no? CHARLOTTE ZIMMER: Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and CHARLOTTE and VERONICA ZIMMER: The Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. Radio Lab: Into the Brain of a Liar March 6, 2008 We all lie once a day or so, according to most studies. JAD: So we're going to leave you with a story from our producer, Pat Walters, about one woman's radical JAD: A few months ago, Pat made his way down in North Carolina, to a small suburb outside of Charlotte to visit this family. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. So this whole debate, two totally different ways of seeing life. JAD: You know, inside these cells, in the center, coiled up in little spools, is the DNA. This is the verkalix church parish record. In RadioLab a laboratory setting is used, in which the player receives radioactive stones that emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation particles. Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. The show in in the radiolab eye sky transcript of was interested in his life In And bring the eye Amount of long-distance Runners and they had a Radiolab podcast about it and they. You know? And it just so happens this town is a perfect place to dig. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You have to look at one cage, say, are they licking? Can you say oh my goodness? I mean, yes, I might get a great family, but I might not. It's just a mind crushing tedium. LULU: And were trying to think about how do we keep it the same in a lot of ways, but also how do we let it grow into something beyond what it was originally built to be. like they could be whistling six tables over in a restaurant and he would turn around and be like, "Stop that," it was like it was scraping his very nerves. You're obviously a great mom, but that feels cold to me. So much can happen after that. MICHAEL MEANEY: Known as transcription factors. BARBARA HARRIS: I already knew that if I ever got a little girl, I was going to name her Destiny. If they see methyl groups sitting on that bit of DNA, they are pissed. In just two generations, these toads seem to have done something that should have taken, I don't know, 50, 100 generations? Okay, you want to say bye? PAT: If Barbara had gotten to Destiny's birth mom, Destiny, Kalia, this moment, none of it would exist. Yeah, thats it. That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. JAD: So heres the backstory. You're slippery, partner's slippery. In my naive mind, I didn't have a clue what a big deal this was. JAD: Lamarck said, You wanna know how a giraffe got its long neck?, JAD: One day this giraffe, mother giraffe, lets say, was looking up in the tree and saw some fruit, and had to stretch he neck, and stretch again. It's a little odd, actually. ], Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], I didn't say I'm God. Maybe they'd try and jump back out, but it was still hot so they'd have to jump back in. I already knew that if I ever got a little girl, I was going to name her Destiny. PEJK MALINOVSKI: Here we have how much they harvested. Inheritance Radiolab Podcast Genetics Homework Assignment Homework assignment on the Radiolab podcast 'Inheritance', developed for a college-level cell biology class. ], That's their choice, but the babies don't have a choice.]. About 30 years ago-. LYNN PALTROW: Tell me what your image of a drug-using pregnant woman is. We spay them. SAM KEAN: They wanted to see basically the effects of starvation on multiple generations. MICHAEL MEANEY: That's it. ROBERT: Rewrite their their blueprint? Move on to the next cage, yes, no? JAD: And at first, it didn't go so well because, you know, if you're a land toad and you're trying to have sex in the water, it's kind of hard. SAM KEAN: And the key point is that it wasnt something inborn in them. And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. She got one. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member ofThe Labtoday. CARL ZIMMER: And when it came time to mate, the males and the females, they would mate in the water. And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. But it failed. Suddenly you're marked. PAT: In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. PAT: Which I find kind of hard to believe but, then again, I must have read at least 100 news articles as I was reporting this story. The kingdom archive. JAD: Because while you might have a lot of influence, you know, genetically speaking, over your kids and their kids, you don't seem to have a lot of control. JAD: So he's got to live his life as a toad with all this baggage on him? All the babies I had seen and all the people that have called me to tell me about their babies that were damaged. My name is Veronica Zimmer. The results are there. Are you nine? People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. When Kammerer published his results initially, a bunch of scientists immediately began to say CARL ZIMMER: "Wait a minute, hold on here, it would be nice if life was like that but life isn't like that. PEJK MALINOVSKI: He was an idiot. I could have turned out like some of the other kids. Live shows were first offered in 2008. I wonder how much you believe in it. Sat her on my lap, with her little dress on and her little curly hair. And Barbara and Destiny walked me out to my car. SAM KEAN: Basically, the midwife toad has a strange habit for toads. It might be a mixture. And Destiny says she doesn't really care DESTINY HARRIS: I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. My situation turned out positive. Is that a genetic hatred of whistling that I just had? You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? JAD: That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. PAT: And at a certain point, I noticed over my shoulder Barbara's crouched down and she's got her phone out and she's taking a picture of this just perfect little scene. ROBERT: So, somehow, by some chemical mechanism, starving grandpa, back when he was about 9 to 12 years old, turned out to be a good thing. Instead of dying at 40, I'd live to 70? But this stuff you're telling me about Sweden feels very grim in a certain way. CARL ZIMMER: She is nine. Is it a big town? That's the stuff that makes you you. JAD: It makes a kind of common sense, really. JAD: And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. LYNN PALTROW: I think I was really horrified and terrified. And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. DESTINY HARRIS: Yes. Your boys will first grow taller and taller for the next few years, and when they get to be about 9, 10 years old, they're going to stop growing just for a few years. About 30 years ago-. [chuckles]. The results make it probable that our descendants will learn more quickly what we know well, will execute more easily what we have accomplished with great effort, will be able to withstand what injured us almost to the point of death. But with the midwife toad, the female Lays her eggs on land and then the male midwife toad comes along And actually kind of sticks them to his back legs, like a bunch of whitish grapes, and then hops around with them basically until they hatch. When rats have more of this protein, they will act more motherly. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Barbara Harris's solution is simpler than anything else out there. Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. BARBARA HARRIS: I mean, I'm married to a Black man. PAT: And that's when things would start to get out of control. You've got these toads who hate water. And so, you could only see one nuptial pad, and it all comes down to thisand all of that was just about to fall apart. So for Isaiah, being born was like just being cut off. You've got these toads who hate water. Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. This lady right here is still taking drugs and she could be pregnant again next month.]. I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. Who, together, pledged more than $150,000 to her program.]. All jokes aside. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, you can't touch that. Then she goes, "Oh wait, I didn't give birth to you. IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. On the one hand, she says, immediately, cheques started arriving. BARBARA HARRIS: With a child, they give you a whole folder full of information, tells you all about them. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. You're now hearing Lamarck's name invoked these days because there are things beyond genes that we pass down to our children. CARL ZIMMER: That's the kind of guy he is. Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. All rights reserved. Destiny says one day, she and her mom were in the car, and her mom said She said, "I don't know, you know, maybe they'll grow bigger? Were there any consequences? Like. It is hosted by Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser. They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. Here, Kammerer's was saying, "You can do this even on a physical level.". Kammerer puts on a suit and he walks off into the mountains Outside Vienna on a Rocky mountain trail. SMITTY HARRIS: He was just You know, most babies are kinda peaceful, he was never really peaceful. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Yes, he was retarded. I want to start with a parental day dream for a second. I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. He was born in 1880 in Vienna, Jewish family. JAD: Even if it helps, it's horrifying. And um Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. You just haven't evolved for this and there's no way you can, at least not quickly. PAT: A year later, she gets another call. Jean Baptiste Lamarck was a pioneer in the . She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." You can't change your DNA. JAD: Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. Which I find kind of hard to believe but, then again, I must have read at least 100 news articles as I was reporting this story. But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". Still, that's a burden that, he's carrying a big burden there. He actually coined the word biology, too. And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. It happens. More what kind of stuff? Radiolab - Transcripts Subscribe 187 episodes Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. Covid has disrupted the most basic routines of our days and nights. Yeah. And the incredible thing is, those marks stick around. Life is hard.". SAM KEAN: Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. ROBERT: But then, a few years would pass, crops would bounce back. CARL ZIMMER: So they can grab onto the female and hold tight while they're mating. You're not leaving this hospital unless you have long-term birth control.". Radiolab: Inheritance - Mastering Rhetoric Radiolab: Inheritance Posted on February 26, 2013 by wlin4 So I listened to Radiolab's story on "Inheritance" which talks about genetics. In any case, what they saw at the end of all this counting wasWell, first of all, what they saw was this pattern that rat pups who got licked a lot as babies, when they grew up, they licked their babies a lot and the rat pups who didn't get licked a lot, when they grew up, they didn't lick their babies. Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: You know what they're going to go do with that money. So we're going to leave you with a story from our producer, Pat Walters, about one woman's radical A few months ago, Pat made his way down in North Carolina, to a small suburb outside of Charlotte to visit this family. So its like grandpa's struggle is jumping forward and giving me a leg up? Where we began, they will accomplish. Environmental Biology Radiolab - Inheritance Due to Haiku by Monday March 3rd Name: Dmitry Matveev Date: CARL ZIMMER: She carries your kids for nine months and you're like, "That poor male toad.". Thanks to Frances Champagne and Michael Meany and Sam Kean, who writes about Paul Kammerer in his book, . His famous example was giraffes. JAD: But that you supposedly can't get to. ROBERT: Are you near the Arctic Circle or OLOV BYGREN: My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. CARL ZIMMER: He hit the lecture circuit and he hit it big. MICHAEL MEANEY: I was an undergraduate student. That is a bad way to start a kid's life but that's just the beginning of the kid's life. CARL ZIMMER: And he says, "This isn't a nuptial pad, it looks darkened but that's just ink.". Its just That's just how I've always looked at it. His example with humans was a blacksmith. Four or five steps later, we are in JAD: So almost instantaneously, the mother's tongue has reached into the baby's brain cells. SAM KEAN: I should add too. No, not brain cells. Well, this is it! It all came down to this jar with his toad in it. Here's what Olov says he found in the data. Move on to the next cage yes, no? PAT: Who gave Destiny her first checkup told Barbara BARBARA HARRIS: That she was delayed and she was always going to be delayed because of her prenatal neglect. LATIF: Its so good that it makes you not want to trash the house, you know what I mean? Because he couldn't hold formula down. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. As a parent, you are a tiny blip in a very, very, long story. Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. I said, "This will be the last one. Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. But at that point just two of the six boys were living at home, Brian and Rodney. PAT: Because when a woman uses heroin while she's pregnant, the fetus gets hooked on it too. To learn more about higher level giving opportunities please contact the Development Office at giving@nypublicradio.org or (646) 829-4130. Higher frequencies of heart attacks. Once their born, their genes are fixed and change does not happen in a generation or two. So by now it's 1994, and Barbara is thinking You know? BARBARA HARRIS: I'm not saying that these women are dogs but they're not acting any more responsible than a dog in heat. So that was just funny to me. JAD: Just to be sure, we asked Frances Champagne what she thinks of this data. He thought that you could kind of engineer societies by changing the environment. Yeah. She and I snuck away from the children into her office. And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. PAT: I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. More of this particular protein. Or is it? She asked my opinion and that's what I'm giving. He's the guy who told us about Olov's work. Once their born, their genes are fixed and change does not happen in a generation or two. How old are your boys right now? SAM KEAN: Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. Please welcome Barbara.]. She'll be two in January. But were getting ahead of ourselves here. The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. LATIF: Oh you said it so much more diplomatically. All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. I'm trying to remember. PAT: And that number, by the way, has grown a lot. What they decided to do first was to try to figure out which rat was which, which meant, interestingly, counting all the legs. PAT: Lynn has become one of Barbara's fiercest critics. OLOV BYGREN: So they didn't starve to death. Here, Kammerer's was saying, "You can do this even on a physical level.". And, I mean, I have straight A's and I'm making it work. I feel that they should all be sterilized. JAD: And thats wrong [laughs].Thats not how it works. MICHAEL MEANEY: Mom's licking activates serotonin. LATIF: And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside That is the time where the sperms are developing. And then that baby would stretch and stretch, and it would give a little more stretching to its baby. Brain disease. JAD: How do these simple little traits get passed forward? It was something they acquired during their lifetime. ROBERT: And that advantage, whatever it was, because it starts with one individual, and then it gets passed onto the kids, and then onto their kids, it would take a long, long, long time to spread through the whole population because, generally, that's how evolution works. If you start smoking when you're 10, 11 something like that, you end up having children with more problems. If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. The reason they're more aroused is that the mom's licking activates the release of adrenaline and noradrenaline in the pup. I had asked for a newborn, so when the social worker called me, she said, "I have this cute little baby girl for you but she's eight months old. The bit of DNA that will give this baby when it grows up the instincts to be nice to its baby, and lick that baby. Thyroid hormones then get into the brain and they turn on certain neural chemical signals. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. JEAN KEAN: My name is Jean Kean. So. Full disclosure, she's Robert's sister's partner. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Why? ROBERT: Just for those years. I find myself thinking like, Okay, I know these kids have their genes half from me, half from my wife. And in 1989, when the story we're telling now started, she was living in California, in Orange County. JAD: And looking at these swings in fortune, Olov realized what he had here was JAD: Because with all this data, he and his team could follow families forward in time, through the generations. They've seen it and they've repeated the experience. The authoritative record of programming is the audio record. No, she was an oops kid. You know, when smart people say, you know, "There's no such thing as nature and nurture it's only interaction of the two," You're like, "What the hell does that mean?" Yes, but creating an assumption that there is a class of people who don't deserve to procreate, who aren't worthy of procreating the human race, leads you down a path that we should have great concern about. Its a terrible thought! And you have to bear in mind that at this point, it only had one hand left. And well just let the old yahoos from whom we inheritedededed inherited it take it away. So some scientists began to ask Kammerer if they could look at his toads. And this idea won him a lot of fans, including, not surprisingly, the Soviets. I wonder how much you believe in it. He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". We went to the foster home and went in. And I told Destiny I was thinking about this and asked her about it. JAD: [expletive] That was awesome. Your grade will be based on how complete and correct your answers are. PEJK MALINOVSKI: It's not very politically correct, huh? I'm not saying that these women are dogs but they're not acting any more responsible than a dog in heat. But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Yeah, lets read.]. OLOV BYGREN: A lot of diagnoses actually. I'm going to graduate with honors and one day I'm going to be able to tell her, "Look, I did this. The critical part of this Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. She'll be two in January. a rat mother licking her baby can have such a profound effect, basically change the expression of the genes in the baby, well that's hopeful. Well, I guess I was thinking we could just start at the beginning. JAD: Now, according to Carl, your genes are still fixed. ROBERT: Is that what you're saying? JAD: Plus, you know, Lamarck didn't get all the biological details right. So he actually went to Vienna. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. As to diabetes, it was a four-fold risk. You just have to weigh it, is it worth it? It happens. He thought it worked with humans, too. It was just no baby should have to come into the world like that. PAT: Have you ever had someone call or write you and say that they regret their decision? She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. That the licking is changing the baby's DNA? Not been born at all. Okay, and then I just had to accept it. In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. What they decided to do first was to try to figure out which rat was which, which meant, interestingly, counting all the legs. And I was a waitress, I worked for IHOP for over 30 years. Like, I mean, as far as positives can go, I think I hit the jackpot. Yep, Im a professor in the faculty of medicine at McGill University in Montreal. Oh, that's a lot of potatoes. And they had more. I had everybody's abuse on my back and I didn't care how we said it, or how we did it. You just haven't evolved for this and there's no way you can, at least not quickly. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? JAD: It's off-limits. If you've already had a kid, you can be sterilized. JAD: What happens, it'll get stuck to one little part of the DNA and now that little bit of DNA FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Is very difficult to get at. MICHAEL MEANEY: What happens when moms lick their pups is that the pup beccomes aroused. Yeah. I didn't see them as people. All right, I'll get in the water." That's how I've always looked at it. It's off-limits. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. He's not even eating at all. All rights reserved. ", In other words, "Could I pay women who have drug problems to stop having babies?". We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. Yeah, there you go. And she's a complete nut. ROBERT: I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. They all go down to the DNA, surround that methyl and just, pow! And I think that no, I didn't plan on it but I wouldn't take her back for anything because she made me better. Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. That kind of 30 years? But this was a really, really tough place to grow up. And so, they just had to hold on for the entire winter. If . JAD: Famine again, and these changes would just bounce back and forth. BARBARA HARRIS: It was just no baby should have to come into the world like that. And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. That, in a sort of ass backward way was Michael's question. Well, that's the good news, but unfortunately there is some bad news here. There were four girls and Barbara and Destiny told me that a few years ago they found three of them and they all either were in college or had finished college. And at a certain point, I noticed over my shoulder Barbara's crouched down and she's got her phone out and she's taking a picture of this just perfect little scene. That you're just renaming it. LULU: Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? We need to oblige the constraints of WNYC copyright arrangements and apologise for any inconveniences caused. Michael and Frances looked inside the brains of these rats and what they saw was that the rats who had been licked a lot as babies, they had more stuff in their head. Okay, and then I just had to accept it. Go to him. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Well, I just want to eliminate drug-addicted babies from being born. Since birth. Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. JAD: In any case, what they saw at the end of all this counting wasWell, first of all, what they saw was this pattern that rat pups who got licked a lot as babies, when they grew up, they licked their babies a lot and the rat pups who didn't get licked a lot, when they grew up, they didn't lick their babies. I think the Swedish data are really, really strong, and very reliable. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. Please welcome Barbara.]. JAD: Look, in the end, what do I know? ROBERT: Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. Birth mother's name was actually the same as me, so, Barbara. JAD: And I know I cant change those genes. That was it. But according to Kammerer, shortly after these toads got into the water, they did begin to evolve fast. That's interesting. That doesn't matter. If you're a starving boy between 9 to 12 years old, now it doesn't matter a whole lot what happens to you after this, your grandchildren will have one-quarter the risk of heart disease. Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. According to Frances, it's not just sitting up there perfectly preserved, it's in the middle of the cell, it's crowded. 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